by Scott R. Tucker

May 3, 2021

021 VWS - Pete Turner

Let us sit for a meaningful conversation with Pete Turner and gain wisdom as he speaks about his success story in transition, his challenges and the things that he did to overcome those challenges, how he pivots when things aren't working out,  and much more.  

Episode Highlights:

01:30- Pete's incredible journey from the military to his successful podcast. 

07:50- 2 main secrets to deal with the transition

09:02- Breaking out and figuring out your support system in transition 

15:00- Pete's challenges in getting into the front door for an interview 

20:11- Pete describes his pivot after being on a null value.

22:00- Work out the problem and figure out how to get it done

25:00- Pete's shift to podcasting

26:55- The best  piece of advice to anyone who plans to do a podcast 

29:40- Podcast drives some revenue, but more importantly, it drives opportunities 

30:30- What next for Pete in the next three years 

Key Points:

  1. Two main secrets to do in transition are to outwork your problems and find a mentor. 
  2. Go to a place that is advantageous to your goal, if things are not working out, pivot and reinvent your goals.
  3. You have to be lean, figure out how to multiply, have a network to be surrounded by great people who would help you on your journey.


  • “Transition is a multifaceted broken jar that you have to cobble together and find the right pieces, it's hard, and you should expect a lot of trials.“-Pete Turner
  • If you can't get a response, it's an indication that you're not going in the right direction, and you need to pivot dramatically and figure out how to get help to solve the problem. “- Pete Turner
  • “You have to be lean, there can't be any fat, you have to outwork the problem and figure out how to get it done, and that's leadership”- Pete Turner
  • Wear a lot of hats, but more importantly, you have to find other heads to put hats on so that you can be surrounded by great people who help you get to where you're going.”- Pere Turner 
  • “Find positive ways to interact with people and compel people to interact with you, and then you will find opportunities from that.”- Pete Turner 

Transcript of 027 with Pete Turner - Affect Over Effect

Scott Tucker: Welcome back to Veteran Wealth Secrets. I'm Scott Tucker and this show is about helping, active duty military those in transition veterans, looking for something else to go from just relying on paychecks and government benefits to creating autonomy and financial control in order to do that, it requires thinking outside the box, understanding what's going on in the modern economy.

How do you apply your military skill sets to these new post-military opportunities that have never really been available before, except for, as they started to appear in the last decade. And couldn't have anybody better to talk to us about some of this stuff, then Pete Turner, the host of the break it down show.

Pete, thank you so much for joining us. Always great to have a professional podcast or as a joke when I call myself an amateur or getting started and stuff, but Hey, that's how you, that's how you build the skill sets to get going. And I, for so long after the military, I thought my life had to be this one thing.

And it's as you slowly break down the barriers You opened up so much more and it's just, it just keeps growing. And the more opportunities show up and I'm looking at your LinkedIn profile, I think it looks like you've had that epiphany in multiple different ways throughout your life.

Can you tell us a little bit about kinda how you went from counter Intel? To now a podcast host and maybe some of the things that you did along the way that, that helps you. Not only do what you do, but also serve others through 


Pete Turner: it. Yeah. When you, when I am asked this question, especially in terms of Veteran transition, I always remind people like when you see my background it's like you go to the gym and I'm like this big muscly guy, giant lats and quads.

But the thing is that I've been at this for a long time, and everything blends into the other. And there's a whole lot, there's a lot more failure and a lot more mistakes there that you don't see in that mirror when I'm flexing with my bikini on, there's.

There's a lot of trial and everything else. So don't from one second. Think that just because I'm successful in the podcast world that I haven't had to work extraordinarily hard. I was counter-intelligence agent in the mid nineties and got out in the late nineties and ended up getting back in for nine 11.

Actually I was already in the reserves when that happened, but I got back into the game and I started working with the military rather than. For it or in it. And so I worked for DOD. I worked on contracts. I've worked for just a lot of different things within the federal government. And I got to go.

Here's where I stand out in terms of the people you're going to interact with that have combat experience. I went outside the wire as much as I wanted to the tank commander often gave me control of their PSD and we'd all go out together. And I had. An unfettered access. Cause I'm exceptionally good at what I do, because you think about military person who does a job, right?

If you're a mechanic, if you're a cook, if you're whatever it is, you only do that when you were a lower ranking person. And then unless you're like the chef for the general, if you're a  you haven't cooked in years, not reliably, right? I developed all these skill sets, became not just good at working in the field, not just competent, but expert level, where I could look at someone who had multiple tourists and be like, why you here are things you need to work on.

And, kind of a sensei in terms of here's how you get better at collecting in the field in a conflict zone, which might sound arrogant, but I've got over a thousand combat missions. If you learn one thing each time, all of a sudden it's Hey, you've learned a lot of things.

I I got tired of being deployed. I got tired of, I didn't get tired of the money, but I got tired of just burning my life. If I wanted to go get wings with my friends and beer, I couldn't do it, and I would come home on leave. I blow through a bunch of money that normally I wouldn't do, but I hadn't had any fun for six, eight, 10 months, whatever.

So I was like, it's time to do something else. I've got to move on. I'm tired of this threat world. And also I had rolled the dice a lot. I had been, look, I've been shot at blown up everything. When I saw American sniper, I'm like, all those things have happened to me and there've been shot, but all of those things, all of it has happened.

And I'm like, I've really I've got to do something else. So 2012, I decided to, to for the most part stop, I wasn't a hundred percent convinced, but I'm like, I'm going to do my best to not go back to that threat world at all. And I had one more job where I did a bunch of surveillance work and.

Convinced me on my gap. I don't want to do this. This is just, I don't enjoy that world anymore. I'm done with it. And also I paid a price like mentally and physically in my body speed up. So I transitioned and I tried to start my own company, but no one knew who I was because I was a good spy. I wasn't a good networker within the military, so I could, get a sweet gig afterwards.

I didn't know anybody because I worked on the side of a mountain with a bunch of  and twos and threes, that was real hard and I couldn't get traction for my ideas. I, my ideas were sound. Everybody always loved what I had to say, but I didn't have, you could only wear so many hats for so long before, like you need to grow in a different way.

Like I had to learn marketing. I had to learn how to be a CEO and I'm still learning these things exceptionally proficient in certain aspects, but I'm very Peaky with my skills. And so I transitioned out of that and then I had to go become a handyman because no one would hire me. No one in corporate America cared about me.

I would have sent my application and not even get a response. A lot of times, one time Pacific gas, electric, the electric company in Northern California. So yeah. When I applied for Veteran like liaison, and they said, you failed to meet the minimum standards for this job. And I was like, do you even know what you just said to a Veteran?

You just called me a fat body who can't even do the minimum. And I'm like, there's no way of Veteran wrote those words. Cause we would know not to write that. And by the way, what standards did I not meet? I've got a master's degree. I've gotten the Veteran, what did I fail to me? There's no. I never got a job.

I applied, I specifically do this. I'm like, if I've been on over a thousand patrols, I'm going to apply for over a thousand jobs. I tried from once I was qualified for under-qualified for overqualified, I tried it all. I tested all the patterns and I never found anything. Not even, I never, my resume never got me a single interview from one of my submissions.

I had a couple of interviews from people who were friends of friends and they're like yeah, I'll have him come in. One guy said, go back to Afghanistan. And the other guy said before we talked about anything, he's I can't afford you. 

Scott Tucker: So what happens, for cause often I always talk about Hey, you might transition out of the military and get that first gig and assume that's going to be your career for the rest of your life.

And yet something could happen. Someone happens to you, your employer, you piss somebody off the fire, whatever, that transition doesn't stop. And so you're gonna find yourself, many years later, transitioning again. Cause really, maybe in a way you didn't transition, how did you deal with that?

How do you feel you dealt with that? Either they're mentally. Obviously it must've been super frustrating to not even land a gig, but to now not have all those, Oh, come to the transition assistance, joined this program, go to this recruiter, this headhunter clearly you came out on the other side of it because you found something.

To the secret maybe to help you figure out. All right. That doesn't work. Maybe I shouldn't try that. 

Pete Turner: Yeah. Before I go any further, let me just say, here are two of the secrets and if you don't do these things, you're crazy. You have to outwork your problems and you need a mentor.

Find someone who's three layers above you, and then just be relentless. It doesn't have to be that one person, but pick the ideal person and then pick the next person until someone says, yes, I'll be your mentor. And you'll find one, but if you don't have one, you're going to have to end the we're bad at this in the military.

You don't have to reinvent all this stuff. You don't have to just suffer. You really can say, I need help. Would you be more guide? I'll do whatever you say. And then do whatever they say. Don't argue with them. I get a lot of people will ask me these kind of, especially for podcasting and I will present them, the dragon and here's the dragon.

You need to figure out how to kill this dragon right here. And they'll say, yeah, but I'm like, let me know when you've done it. I'm glad to help, but until you kill this dragon, it don't matter. So that's my advice for that. And I forgot your question. Tell me what your question was again. I was just talking 

Scott Tucker: about there's the tra traditional transition assistance process and there's all the groups and organizations in the classes required briefings checklists and everything.

And it seemed like you were transitioning. No, it's separate on your own. And there weren't the recruiters or that kind of available. What did you do eventually to break out and figure out your own support structure system? Obviously, mentorship was part of that. But how did you make that step to say, Hey this isn't working for me.

Why am I trying this? 

Pete Turner: So I was already out of the military when I was done being deployed. So I was already a federal civilian, but there's not really a program for this. So when I got out, I really was on my own and I didn't want to live in DC and I didn't want to do the things that would give me the normal job in that, because I didn't want to do that stuff anymore.

I was really tired of it. And so I had to invent my own transition and it made me want to kill myself, made me feel obsolete. You have to understand, I had specific influence with brigade, commanders, battalion I earned. And I would say to them, you're going to trust me. You're going to put your battalion, your brigade in a direction that I'm going to guide you for it.

And you're going to thank me for it. You're going to say, I'm your biggest force multiplier you have. And I would predict the future for them. And then they would look at me a couple of weeks later and be like, wow. You told me you were going to do this. All right. Yeah, let's go. So I went from that kind of influence where I would be put in front of generals.

And this is our guy. This guy helps us see things. We can't see to being ignored, being treated as I was obviously like, Oh yeah, counter-intelligence agent, what can you do here? What can't I do. I can go into a foreign environment, cross language, cross religion, conflict zone, I can, and I can thrive.

You telling me you don't have a role for me here. Like you think I can just be a security guard. You don't know enough about what I do. How do I explain this to you? I never got the chance to explain it though. I never got in the room. So I would go to these Fairs. And you've got to get mine. I've got a master's degree.

I've got a lot of experience. And so I would come in with my resume. They would look at it and they would say, we have jobs for 35 grand a year. And I'm like, you didn't look at my, so I had, and maybe this is the wrong approach, maybe this wrong, but I'm like, I have done things. I'm not saying I'm precious, but if you're going to put me in a entry-level role, You're ignoring all of my experience, all of my education.

And you're putting me in a financial bind, how am I supposed to thrive in that environment? If you don't, if you don't value me and I don't value me, then I've devalued myself and I wasn't willing to do it. I'm absolutely willing to take a job or I've got to earn my way in. I'm absolutely.

Fine to work hard, but I wasn't willing to say, yeah, let me make 35 grand and get onto this undetermined path, because that would make me make bad decisions personally. And I knew that because I've tried that path before let me get my foot in the door and work my way in. And then the next thing, because I'm a wild horse, I had got to go off campus. All the time I got to do what I wanted when I wanted to work, where I saw the work was, it doesn't make people comfortable. But again, if they don't interview me, I can't even explain how and what I do. So for me, that transition process was messy. I I probably lived in an area that was comfortable in terms of friends and family and climate, but I probably should have moved to a place that was more advantageous to my goal was, and my goal, it had to evolve because I couldn't reliably advance towards it.

So I had to constantly reinvent and that gets to be dangerous because then you're just like changing your mind all the time. So those parts of transition were tough. So if you've got credentials and you come out. The tap program or whatever, going to whatever program it is for your service, the with the job fairs, those probably aren't aligned for you.

All of the non-profits that are like, Hey, we help veterans get jobs. We'll give you a suit. Like I've got 10 suits and I don't need a suit. Here's what I need from you. Open doors, get me an interview and I will land the job. Here's what I need help with open the doors. I don't know. You say, the people open the doors, let me go in and apply.

And they're like, can you commit to applying for 10 jobs? Like I can apply for jobs all day. Yeah. Would you like to get a forklift operator? Your certificate? No, I'm credentialed. Help me get me the door here. I want this job, any of these jobs, I think I'd be competitive in, can you get me interviews?

No, we can't because their role is to get me. A job, not the job, not a career. And so it just, and there's a lot of people like me. And if you're an Oh four and you get out, you're like, I've got a master's degree, I've got a lot of experience. I don't want to work in the contract world.

Who's going to be, who's going to help you find a job. It's just, it isn't reliably set up to work to our places, but you now have to survey the entire field of people doing these things. So when I say all these things, it's not to say what was me or that kind of thing. It's just to say transition is a multifaceted broken jar, but you have to like, cobbled together and find the right piece.

It's a puzzle that you don't know where all the pieces are. It's mixed with a bunch of other pieces and it's hard and you should expect a lot of trial, unless, you want to be a cop, then that's a known path. That's easy. You don't even talk to me about transition. You got it. You figured it out.

But if you come out and you're like, I want to do something different. I want to go to Hollywood. I've met a lot of military writers who write in Hollywood and they've all said it was hard. I almost went broke. I had no money. I didn't think I was going to make it. And then I made it, so the transition can be a lot of different things.

And again, that's why you need a mentor. If you know what you want to do, or if you wish you think you do figure out that person who's ahead of you and ask them, how do I get to where you're at? How do I get to step two? How do I do step 10? 

Scott Tucker: Yeah. Cause I think, what you went through, ultimately like it reminds me of myself.

I was a Portuguese major from West point air defense officer. I didn't want to be a contractor. Didn't want to only thing I could've done was got an air defense job on the federal side, which quite frankly, I didn't know any of the stuff. I was just, just the whole guy. And then I see this constantly, this thing Hey, we're not understanding we don't, the civilians don't understand what the military, value is individually, other than, leadership skills or they're hard workers.

It's not everybody, what do you wish? Maybe you're glad you didn't get any of those jobs right now, but let's just say, yeah you could go back to your former self. What do you think needs to happen on the communication realm for? Cause Hey, if you can't even get the interview, you can't talk.

So how do you go around, how do you do the back door type stuff so that they're hearing you, regardless of whether or not you have even an interview, right? The resume? 

Pete Turner: I don't know. I never figured it out. I tried all kinds of things. And again I meet people for a living. That's what aspire does.

And I had to constantly work on this problem of how do I solve this? I can help Google. You're telling me that there's no job at Google that a spy can do. Come on, but you could never get in the front door. So somebody would say, we'll work on your resume. Okay. Hire someone to do a resume. And then I would send it in and get no response.

And feedback to adjust off of it. Just, I just no value. And so I would adjust my resume. I would adjust my resume. I'd work on my elevator pitch. I would try to meet people at marketing meetings and that kind of, I would date all of these things and just could not find anybody that. I got I w I went and I worked for a temp agency, right?

I'm like, I've got to make some money and keep mind every day I'm working. I'm not making enough money. I can go out and do handyman work and I can make enough money to not drown. I was drowning everyday. I had to eat every meal at this place cause the food was free. But I would take Bart, which is our rapid transit thing in the Bay area.

I would take that and that the Bart commute every day was two and a half hours of my pay. Just to cover that. Oh man, how do I get ahead? And I have to pay taxes. Okay. So there's no money left for me to pay rent and buy my own food or whatever. That process of trying to get on top of this problem.

If you can't get a response, it's an indication to you that you're not going in the right direction and you need to dramatically pivot and figure out how do I get help to solve this problem? How do I. Find a new goal that I want to go on. Look, if there's a job that you want to do, let's say that you want to get into operations, but I don't know why any company wouldn't hire an operations officer on the spot and be like, great.

We'd love to see you be the CEO COO one day, I mean we know operations, right? But they don't know if they don't know. So you have to find a way to meet that person. I would. Here's why just to get an idea. I went to Cal state university Hayward. I found a guy on LinkedIn. He went to Cal state East Bay.

It's the same school. They changed the name of it. And he worked at a company that I had targeted specifically. And he was a head Hunter there and I said, Hey, you don't know me, but we both went to Cal state East Bay. And do you have a job that I'm interested in? I would love to find out like maybe it could we have lunch and just talk about what it's like to work there.

No response. Wow. What up? No response. I followed up and he's Hey, I saw that you sent me a couple of emails. I'm just really busy. And I'm like, that's cool, man. It doesn't have to be tomorrow. It doesn't have to be next week, but if I can buy you lunch, that'd be sweet. But this guy literally never helped me out.

Never engaged with me in any kind of meaningful Wealth. I'm like, okay, let me try a different path. And again, I'm on LinkedIn. So I go out, I reach out to the LinkedIn person. And they've got military jobs available and he used the military liaison and I say, Hey brother, I'm a military guy. Just like you.

I could use some help. I live in the Bay area. I'd love to come in love to buy you lunch. Love to be pleased, do something else. Don't come to. I never met with that guy and I met the guy above him, never met with that guy. And I said, you guys treat me. Like I'm a stepchild. I can come into your office.

I can do an odd job for you. Build a desk or put chairs together. Chef that's like way below my skill level, but I'm not, but not beneath me cause I need money and you won't have a professional meeting with me. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah. That's unfortunately, I hear this too much. A buddy of mine, 24 four year special forces West point grad, and he's got an interview and they were like you're going to have to take out the trash and stuff sometimes.

And he's just Whoa. And that, that led him to entrepreneurship. So as you said, it's if, Hey, if things aren't working out, it's not the structured military where you got this one career path go to this school, this rank, and we're such, we're often still stuck in that mindset, that to do something like a drastic pivot, not even fathomable on active duty, it almost seems dishonorable.

It's Oh, am I allowed to write? How do you give? I like to say, because I did this to myself, I remember about 10 years ago, I was sitting on the couch. My German opera singer girlfriend had just dumped me and I was stuck over in Germany. I didn't really, I loved it, but I didn't want it to be there. And I was self-employed financial advisor. Hated it. Didn't think it was, I've been losing my integrity. And I just remember sitting at myself saying to myself, I don't know what it is, but I'm going to find it. And still looking, but, boy has my change in my outlook and everything changed. What happened next for you?

What describe this pivot and how it ended up at the breakdown show in so many other things, please share whatever you want to share and promote, man. 

Pete Turner: Yeah. So the break it down shows the main thing that I do, but I also produce podcasts for people and that's something that I can reliably do.

I always need. More clients always need more customers. But when I first got back in 2012 a friend of mine who became a very good friend, basically like a brother now he had a local radio show. And so he's come in, let's tell stories, that kind of thing. And so I just never left.

And then we just kept working together. He actually came and joined me in the handyman service for a while. We were doing handyman work and then we would do our show once a week. And we were like, we can do this. We can. This was seven years ago. So the podcast thing hadn't exploded yet. And so we just kept working and kept improving.

And I kept learning and learning. And even he he's a founder of the show. He's always part of it, but he, when he's I have to go make money doing other things. And so it got leaner and leaner and it's terrifying. I liken it to You're on a chasm. You've got a big, tall piece of bamboo and the guy's I don't know what's over there, but if you're going to go anywhere, you have to go through this foggy crevasse on this piece of bamboo.

And hopefully you'll land on a piece of land. On the other side, usually works out, go ahead and jump. And it's like Indiana Jones, you'd stick your foot out and you take that step. But to do that, you can't have cable. You can't have $200 in subscriptions to shit that you don't need.

Oops. Sorry. I said you have to Veteran. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be lean, if you go on patrol every day and you've got. 40 pounds of extra BS that you don't need. You're stupid. That's how it is. You have to be lean like that to do this podcast game or to be an entrepreneur you have more work to do than you have time to do it.

So you have to figure out how to multiply yourself. There's a reason why a lot of veterans go down the entrepreneurial route, and again, you have to have a network. In the military, we like to wear a lot of hats. It makes us valuable. It makes us feel good. It keeps us busy or whatever. Yes. Wear a lot of hats.

You have to do that. But more importantly, you have to find other heads to put hats on. And if that's money, if that's controlling, if it's time, it's trade, whatever it is, you have to find other hats and other heads for other people so that you can be surrounded by great people who help you get to where you're going.

That's, that's leadership, right? You don't have enough stuff to do the job. You have an impossible job and you don't have any staff. Okay. Figure out how to get it done. Captain, figure out how to get it done, corporate, wherever, and you're like, okay, is what I'm going to do. And so that means there can't be any fat.

You have to outwork your problems and it's going to be hard. That's just how that is. If you're fortunate enough to land some sweet gig with a corporation and you're happy, that's great. But you are the exception. Most veterans transition several times. Posts getting out and, 18 months is a long time for a Veteran at a job and it's okay to improve your position.

It's okay to lateral over. It's okay to say, I'm going to take a step back. Ideally, you're going to evaluate yourself and promote yourself. Hey, I've been working hard. I think I'm ready for a promotion. What do you have in mind? And if they're like, Oh, you're like, okay, go look. Go find another place where you can go.

You don't have to stay at that rank. You don't have to stay at that place. It is okay to move around. And if you take that approach, you've got a shot, but again, it's going to be uncomfortable. It's not going to be easy and I'm still searching. You're still searching. We still search. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah. And the complacency of Villa.

Okay. I got the job. I replaced the paycheck. That's. I find that to be extremely risky because I never say everybody should be an entrepreneur. Absolutely not, please. It can be crazy, but that said what entrepreneur or business owner in any babysitter for that matter, which you know, which one of those were lies on simply one customer.

Because if that customer's gone then no. But we've been led to believe that one employer. Is the best approach. So many things could go wrong to end that agreement. The whole industry could get taken down by a new microchip or something. So let's be real. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But let's be realistic with.

Not saying, Hey, always be looking for the next job if you like it. But at least be networking for the Justin Case. Always be sharing and showing your value. That's what social media things like podcasts, YouTube, anybody has access to it. Talk about being lean. This is free. And yet.

How many people in years to come, might stumble across this video, listen to the podcast and learn one, learn something, but also get to know us a little better. It's free networking. Everybody can do it. And tell us a little bit more about how you're employed, you drastic shift in, in the podcasting sounds like you're Hey, I lucked into it, stumbled into it.

Radio show. Guess what I like to talk? I'm pretty good at it. But it's not just about, Hey, I'm good at it. So I might as well do it. There's also skillset development. As you're finding out who you are and who you want to be. I just wanted to share a little bit more about what that kind of means for you meant for you.

Pete Turner: To have a podcast, when we first started, we knew we were wrong. We were like, we don't know what we're doing. And we think it works like this. You go out, you talk to comedians and then you go onto all of their shows. They come on all your shows and then you talk about your Amazon link and people buy things through Amazon.

And that's how you make your money. That proved to be completely false. Yeah. So yes, you can have comedians on your show. Yes. They will possibly have you on their show. But if you're interesting, not just anybody, and I've got, look, I've got a very interesting background. I can go on people's shows.

I wouldn't advise that as a viable approach to anybody else. If you're going to do that, you would better spend some time in marketing and learning how to pitch yourself and know your story. So in general, you talked about networking and moving to another job or not whatever, if you're not constantly networking, we all know it's the people that we know you would need to know the right people, which means you don't more people, which means you have to work on networking all the time, whether it's internally or externally, you don't.

When someone sees you and recognizes you are the you're golden and the company won't, they may go to that next job. Take that CEO role, or take this project management thing and say, Hey. Why don't you come with me? I've seen you work. You do that by networking. So you have to network. And that podcast is a networking tool.

First and foremost, it is not. Listen. If you're going to start a podcast, look at my eyes right now. If you're starting a podcast, you probably shouldn't do it. If you're starting it to make money, you shouldn't do it unless you want. Because if you want to start a business, go buy a franchise. Because a podcast is not going to make you any money.

I'm not trying to defeat you. I'm just trying to give you practical advice. I'm looking right into the camera and saying, don't do it. If you decide to do it, start it as a hobby, let it grow. Let it force you to put more time and effort into it. That's the best advice I can give anyone who looks at a podcast and that applies for everything.

If you think you want to, your passion does not have to fund your life. It doesn't have to work that way. You can literally go get a job at. I dunno, whatever the paint store, right? And you sell paint every day and you love it because there's a lot of customer interaction and it's always a new problem coming in and you're making.

And so you work at Kelly Moore and you give them eight hours a day and that's it. You don't have to be a go getter at your job. You can really go out and go get your hobby and work hard at that and balance, work and life so that yes, I work. I pay the bills, I tolerate it. And on occasion, it's a good day.

And I have people, and I don't make a lot of money. However, The moment I hit that door. I'm out and I'm mountain biking or I'm out and I'm writing my book or I'm out and I'm doing whatever you have to find all of these things out on your own. But if you think it's just the one solution, like you flip the switch and it all works, it doesn't, you can go on social media and end up spending or wasting 20 hours a week on social media and doing nothing but arguing with people or being told that you're a horrible monster racist, I'm not saying.

Do that network find positive ways to interact with people. And that will, without a hundred percent of guarantee, if you go out and you meet two people a week and you just churn through that process and you follow up with those people, and if you compel people to interact with you, you will find opportunity from that.

Whether it's on social media or it's at Starbucks, you will find people. If you're not that kind of people person, then whatever skill it is, you want to learn how to code. Then continue to work at code, write code every day. Now talk to other coders, build a community. If you build a community that community will find ways to support you a hundred percent.

So the podcast is that I built a community and I have a lot of people that come on the show. They're incredible. They blow my mind all the time. I regularly have my mind blown all the time. Think about how valuable that is. There's no check for that, right? There's a lot of value in what I do. So yes, a little bit of money comes in the door, but more importantly, I constantly meet people who are working on projects, constantly being introduced to other people.

Now I've gotten above critical mass with meeting people, and now I get to just manage this network of people. I still add people all the time. But I'm constantly managing Hey, you haven't been on the show in a while. What are you working on? How can I help? And they're like, Oh, you know what, actually, you can.

And then next thing you know, you've got an opportunity. So yes, my show drives some revenue, but more importantly it drives opportunity. And that's what really 

Scott Tucker: makes it valuable. No, that's great advice. Pete, surrounding yourself with the people you want to be most, like sometimes it means maybe some of the people that you're hanging out with all the time, or you think you've got to follow up with, if they're not.

Willing to serve you in some capacity, nothing would be selfish, we'd be looking for those who are constantly wanting to give back. Can mentor give insight and actively intentionally network. Through something, it might be a podcast, might be a coffee meeting at a Starbucks, but that was amazing insight.

Thank you so much for coming in onto our show. And we're really excited to get this thing off the ground. But tell us what's next for you. P w what do you see the next three years looking what are you looking to do? And and how can people get ahold of you?

And who should be contacting you? Anybody 

Pete Turner: who wants to ask you about podcasts? For sure. In general, I'm glad I'm, as long as I can keep up, I'm glad to be an open book. I get more email than I can respond to, but don't let that dissuade you. I'm pretty good at getting back to folks. So Pete, I break it down. That's my email. You can email me. And for the most part, I will do my best. I promise I will do my best. I can't always promise, get back to everybody. Like it'll let me know, but I want, my intention is to do that. My intention is to help give back to everybody. This is a good sign, by the way, if your intention and your output are no longer in agreement, you're probably at max capacity.

Figure out how to get something off your plate. All right. Break it down. You can always go there and you can watch a show. My YouTube channel is the place I push people to because they're monetized for me. They're a little bit. So you just type in PDA, Veteran on YouTube and you should find me.

Those are the big things. I've got a couple of projects I'm working on with a couple of Veteran writers. And we're trying to figure out how to collaborate. The hardest part is always getting these things funded. So I've got to get paid, they've got to get paid and we've got to find someone that's we're looking to build podcast material, and there's a lot of people out there doing that.

So that's really what's next for me is yes. Doing shows for clients and helping people understand, like, how do I host? All right. I'll teach you how to host. There's a lot of skill sets. I can identify them for you, but that's like the day-to-day money. I need to start getting up to the next level now where people are coming and approaching me and saying, Hey, we have this multimillion dollar film, and we'd like to do a podcast in conjunction.

What do you recommend? And that sort of what I see the future being for me, but I've got to go build it. 

Scott Tucker: I have the vision. No, that's good. That's super inspiring, Pete. Thank you. Thank you again so much for coming on and joining us, looking forward to chatting down the road again and keep going.

You bet, man. All right, everybody. Thanks again. And be sure to subscribe if you haven't already, we're growing we're new show, but we are growing. We're getting a lot, get some views and And so this is how we do it. So we're really excited about having everybody along and the feedback has been amazing, honestly.

So really excited about that. So I am motivated to keep this thing going. You're definitely proven if you stick to it, fail a little bit, make some mistakes, and then that's what the whole entrepreneurial journey has been all about. But all right, man. Thanks again. My pleasure. See you next time, everybody.

About the author 

Scott R. Tucker

Scott R. Tucker is an author, speaker and the founder of US VetWealth, a lifestyle and financial consulting brand that helps service members go from paychecks and government benefits to wealth and liberty. He likes to say, "I Help The 1% Who Serve Our Country Become The 1% Who Influence It." A West Point graduate, serial world traveler, military financial expert, and entrepreneur, Scott brings valuable experience and insight to those who have sacrificed so much in service to our country.

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