by Scott R. Tucker

April 1, 2021

Mark P. Miller

Today we will have a meaningful conversation and perspective on finding meaning for veterans in post-military life with Mark P Miller, a commissioned army signal officer, army public affairs officer and mass communication specialist. Mark is the founder of Mark Miller PR.

 

Episode Highlights:

3:15- Mark P Miller retired earlier than expected due to medical reasons.

3:48- Asking yourself of “what do you want? “is the core secret in transitioning.

10:30- Mark worked as public affairs director after retirement

12:23- Mark started the communications consulting business in public relations.

18:00- Mark's Military background and municipal background gave him a niche to work in government and non-profit organizations.

21:09- The importance of GRE and Ph.D. program in thought leadership

24:19- The implication of The Foundation of Inquiry course in the current environment and transition.

29:50- How the military prepares members for transition

 

3 Key Points about Finding Meaning for Veterans:

  • Transferring skills and translating skills in transition must be based on what you want to do, because transition is as unique as the person.
  •  Recognize where you're bringing value to feel that sense of purpose in your chosen job/career after retirement.
  • Think through all the stuff the military taught you and use that for transition as opposed to just looking completely at the tap, but looking at all the skills the military gave you.

 

Quotes:

  •  “Going back to what you said about transferring and translating those skills, sure! that was easy for me to do, so that's what I want to do, so that's what I wanted.” - Mark P. Miller
  •  “It's not that you should or shouldn't, or listen to anyone else tell you. I chose to stay in the same profession and just do it differently but that's not for everybody, so I think the transition is as unique as the person.” - Mark P. Miller
  • “If I want to be successful long term, I need to be a thought leader in my field. Although I have a pretty deep resume, sure I've got good credentials, but I seek to be an absolute expert and thought leader in my field. “- Mark P. Miller


Mark Miller Quote


Show Transcript


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Scott Tucker: the biggest mistake that veterans make when entering post-military life is trying to translate their military skills into civilian ones. Hi, I'm Scott Tucker and welcome back to veteran wealth secrets. And this is the show where we. Talk about all things, post-military life in the modern economy and whether you're still on active duty or.

Already a veteran and looking for some answers and some secrets. We want to share them with you. And so oftentimes I'll share my experiences, but a lot of times we do interviews like on today's show. Later we will talk about an interview I had with a old army buddy of mine, Mark Miller, who was a PAO public affairs officer and started his own PR firm.

And ironically. He is in a unique position where translating his skills was quite valuable, but often that doesn't happen. Like for those who were wrench Turners in the, in the military, is that what you want to be doing in the outside? If you're a fighter pilot in the military, can you even do that on the outside?

So it doesn't always try even leadership and project management, all that kind of stuff. It's like one is that the exact same thing it's not. And do you really want to be doing that? And most times. I get talking to people. People say, no, I want to do some different, I want a chance to, to create my own orders, my own identity.

And so now I said at the beginning, yeah, it's the biggest mistake. Well, it can be the biggest mistake if you haven't given it full thought. If you just, if you just thought, Hey, I went to the military transition program and they said, well, this was your MOS. So therefore these are the things you can do as a civilian.

I think that's disingenuous. It's a big fat lie and it's not fair because I know plenty of veterans who might've been trigger pullers in the military and they became millionaires learning how to do all sorts of online marketing skills or getting into the  financial world or real estate. the sky's the limit.

We can really do what everyone, especially in this modern times, getting the certifications, the MBAs, I mean, that might look nice in a resume if you want to keep on working for somebody else and putting in the long hours. But now, as we've learned this last year with the lockdowns and stuff, we need to be able to adjust.

We need to be able to. Figuring out what it is we really want to do, because if we're, if we're not even getting up to go to work anymore  you gotta figure out how to do it from your own home. Really I see that as an opportunity when, when often too many people are seeing it, as in what they call it, the lockdown.

Well, What are you gonna do about it? I mean, you can't change it. We can sit there and complain about how the government works as I do often or how the financial world works as I do often. It's nice to be aware of that stuff, but also recognize that.  That you're nothing you can do about it. What you can control is your own human capital, how you can bring value to the world, how you're getting knowledge and building a series of skillsets.

I mean, the more talents that you can rack up, that's what really differentiates you from other people. So if we're limiting ourselves to the whatever talents we had in the military leadership skills, I mean, what does that even mean? These days? When really most corporations, the companies they're looking for, people who have creativity and stuff.

So we really need to be thinking outside the box. We got to get outside of the traditional education system and, , Take control. I mean, create, create the the story that you want to be a part of. Make yourself the hero of your own story. And that's how I like to think about it.

That's what I wrote about in my first book. The veteran's guide to life, Liberty, and purpose. And really, I mean, I wrote that book to my own self, to my self 10, 15 years ago, all the things I can't believe, nobody told me about, , having an identity in post-military life, making those decisions myself.

I got out.  Somebody told me to become a financial advisor, whatever the heck. That means I went and got a bunch of licenses and I thought, therefore, that's my new label. This is what I want to do.  In some ways that was translated skills because I was taking my. , experience as a leader in the military to be able to help people and my passion for service and all that kind of stuff.

And really I was lied to, and it was just a sales as all financial advisors are, they're just salesmen for another company. Right. So And I get in this more into, , our, our Magnum Opus, our manifesto veteran, wealth secrets, the book which came out of veteran's day in 2020. And I mean, that's a 300 page.

I mean, I go into the details of, , how I see the truth. I get brutally honest. What's going on in the military  transition world. What's going on in the finance world. What's going on in the education world, how all these things tied together. And I think not intentionally, but unfortunately.

We're all being misled into lives of mediocrity yet. We're living in the greatest moment in all of human history. The fourth stage of the industrial revolution.  I mean, they're talking about it  openly, the great reset things are going to shift. They're going to change things right in front of our eyes already are.

And we're not seeing it often because we're, we're used to following orders just, Hey, as long as we, , make sure we check all the boxes and stuff, then things will work out for us, but that's not how the civilian world works, especially right now. And how ironic is it that as we're getting out of the military, everything is about the individual, , translate your skills yet.

We don't do anything in the military as an individual, we do it as a team. And so the opportunity now is to start thinking like that and post-military life, , work together, collaborate, make sure we're networking for those types of things. So , we're gonna be talking a lot about these themes on the show.

I want to expound, , far beyond this, really get into the ideas of what it means to create wealth. It's not about money. It's about your time. saying things like financial independence, financial freedom, that's all BS too. Cause what does that even mean? Right. What you want is financial flexibility to be able to make moves as opportunities that you created for yourself, luck that you've created for yourself when you implement these skills, as I'll teach you on this podcast and in the book.

So you can capitalize on it. Okay. That's, that's the goal here to get more and more of us aware. Self-aware about. Giving yourself permission about what you really want to do. So if you haven't done so already, make sure you're subscribed to the podcast on all your favorite podcasting shows and follow us on, on YouTube as well.

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Hey everybody, Scott Tucker here again for  the veteran wealth secrets show real excited for this next conversation. I think you're going to find it very meaningful and get a lot of perspective on, , finding purpose and post-military life. But first I want to remind you that today until Friday at midnight, My brand new book veteran will secrets.

The post-military guide to autonomy and financial control is available now on Amazon  so make sure you grab a copy, please leave a review, share it with anybody who might be good for, because basically there, I lay out our whole philosophy of, of what we do as the sponsor of this show at vet wealth, where we're, we're realizing that, , the story we've been told about how to manage your.

 Post-military life specifically, financially. It's all been told this lie about saving for retirement. When really the opportunity is what do you really want to do? , wealth is not about money. Wealth is about your time in your meaningful purpose. And so that's why I'm so excited to bring it.

Hang on. My old, old friend from a long time ago in the, in the army back in Germany Mark Miller. How are you doing buddy? 

Mark Miller: I'm doing great. Scott, how are you doing happy belated veteran's day to you. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah, likewise. , that kinda, it's like, it's like everything this year has just been kind of thrown for a loop.

I mean, I know everybody always posts the veteran's day stuff, but , it's, it sucks when we. Yeah, you can't just go out and have a beer with, with some of your buddies on a day, like today, because everybody's in, , fear mode. But no, I'm, I'm really excited to catch up with you. It's been fun to watch.

I mean, you've had you had an active duty career. , being in the public affairs branch is that's how it's called right in the army. I almost got assigned. In the public affairs office, after my unit disbanded in the first infantry division. And, and I was like, Oh man, what's this going to be?

I got to write speeches for the general and stuff, but no, I mean, if you like, yeah. Right. And, and so, , I'd like to know, I mean,  given kind of what's going on, you got out of the military a couple of years ago. , that's a unique skillset. They always say translate your skills. And a lot of times I argue , Hey, , that's honestly, , a limited path.

Everybody can't be a project manager, just because you turned a wrench in the army doesn't mean you should do it  in the civilian world. Yet. I think public affairs is quite a cool skill set to get in the military. It's almost  like the people who are on the, on the AFN news,  that's their military job .

That's definitely skillsets. You can translate into some pretty cool stuff. But what's, what's life been like for you since you got out, , what are you up to these days, especially given this environment we're in right now. 

Mark Miller: Sure. Well, first off, thanks again for having me on here. This is super cool.

I love what you're doing so often veterans. So perhaps you for that life has been interesting for me for the last two years. I, I retired two years ago but it was a retirement that was earlier than I expected. So because of that, and that was for medical reasons, but because of that, I rushed through the process of transitioning and that.

 What? I won't even say. That sounds like an excuse. That is an excuse. But at the, at the end of the day ,  I know you talk a lot about transition and the one question I asked myself and probably answered too quickly, maybe not was what do you want? And if you think about that phrase, You might say that to your dog when your dog is just staring at you or I, , my wife and I don't have kids, but for people who have kids, sometimes a child starts crying and it's like, well, what, what do you want?

We don't grow out of that. You really need to look yourself in the mirror and ask, what do you want? Do, do you want money? Do you want more time? Like you were just alluding to, do you want like nothing else to be in a certain geographic region? And I don't pull those three examples out of nowhere.

People who that, that means the most to them, a good friend of mine is still on active duty and probably going to retire. He's he's passed as 20 years already, but he's a very senior officer and he's still, still doing great things, but. He's got a very specific geographic location in mind that he wants to end up in and he doesn't care if he's employed, they're not employed.

They're maybe part-time employed, maybe running his own business, but his number one priority is to get to a certain geographic location in Missouri to be near his family and, and Bravo. That's excellent. He knows where he wants to be. So the reason I asked.  People to ask themselves that question of what do you want is because it goes way beyond, , career or finances.

It goes to the heart of what do you want as an individual? So, , transition is very different for the guy who says I'm retiring and I'm going to take my modest pension. And I want a cabin in the, out, in the Backwoods of Tennessee and I'm going to hunt and fish all day. And that's what I'm going to do with the rest of my life.

Cool. Don't look at that guy and expect the military to look at him the same way that they're looking at someone trying to land a corporate position, transitioning their skills the way I have. So going back to what you said about , transferring those skills and translating those skills. Sure.

That was easy for me to do, but it's because it's what I enjoy and it's what I want to do. So that's what I wanted. I know plenty of public affairs officers and people in other fields like military medical fields or, or other very specialized finance, whatever that they could definitely. Translate those skills to the civilian world, but choose not to.

And that's okay. So it's not that you should or should or listen to anyone else tell you it's well, do I enjoy the career field I'm in or do I use my transition from the military as an opportunity to go a different direction? I chose to stay in the same profession and just do it differently, but that that's not for everybody.

So I think transition is as unique as the person. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah, Mark. I know. I'm glad you put it that way because it reminded me of, , I got out after five years, I became a financial advisor and I thought, that's my new identity. This is my new job. This is all I can do in about five years after into it. I realized, I don't know.

I don't even believe in this. I don't have integrity with myself. And I was like, I don't, I don't know what I want. I was in still in Germany. I didn't know if I wanted to be there. It was weird. Cause I was sort of self-employed so I felt like I was autonomous, but I didn't know what I wanted. And yeah. And luckily I remember distinctly, I was sitting on my crown couch.

I might've even been in tears, but I, I said, I don't know what it is, but I'm going to go find it and look for it. And yes, I'm still kind of in the financial services thing now, but, , I went and found, I literally, I built the skillsets of. Online marketing and digital, , sales and, and realizing that, Oh my gosh, anybody can learn these skill sets in a weekend and then apply it and then build and learn more on it in specifically the ability to create that mobile income.

So you can be the geographic independent, , you can move around as needed to go where you want to go. We don't have to just take these jobs. And, and I I'm, I'm glad. , you, you bring this up, like, , what do you want? Cause guess what? It might take a few years in. And I always talk about, , Go into your first post-military job with the intention of leaving, maybe it don't, but it allows you to kind of be a stepping stone, as you said.

So I wanted you to dig in a little bit deeper of, , what's, what's the secret that you discovered. Cause I think you kind of had your own version of that and I'm curious, like what, what do you, what did you, what do you want to share a little bit more about. Know, finding that, that sense of purpose.

Mark Miller: Sure. So I'll, I'll share my own example. But my secret is just that go back to that core question of what do you want? And I forgot to add it's okay for that to change, because maybe you wanted something and you get there and you realize, this isn't what I wanted. That's okay. If for any of the philosophy folks out there that have read Siddhartha, He couldn't figure out if he wanted to be a shaman, a businessman, or a guy who ferried people across the river on a boat heck and he lived a happy life.

He was, he was totally content, but he followed numerous different paths. And there's, there's nothing embarrassing about that. So, and I think society , the veteran community, I think maybe we shame that too much when you get into something and realize, Oh, that's not for me. And you walk away and go a different direction.

, people say, Oh, he's having trouble finding himself or, Oh yeah. The transition's been tough on him or her. And, and the reality that no, maybe you just decided to jump to something else. So that's my one sentence secret is, , what do you want? But in terms of me, how it worked out is, , I want through the steps of transitioning deliberately as you brought up in your first book from deployment to dollars that.

That that we really need to think about where am I now and where do I want to be? And what kind of job do I want to do? Not just, I got to find a job. Well, I gotta make a big paycheck. And so I kinda thought, well, working in government, My entire adult life, maybe the easiest transition for me would be to still work in government, but maybe local government.

And so I ended up as the public affairs director for, for a city, for a municipality, and it was amazing. It was a terrific job. And if I look at it in totality, it was terrific though. The experience was great. I wouldn't trade it. But what I found was that real reward and the fun, the excitement that was all in the first year to maybe 15 months.

And I say that because that's when I brought in ideas, they hadn't seen before processes that were new and exciting, and I was providing so much value that I really had a great sense of purpose. I was, I was doing great things for the city. And then it started to taper off where the expectation was. All right, you've come up with enough.

Good ideas. You've built this now, just maintain that. And by the way, do these other random tasks. And then I realized like, Oh, that's not fun for me. What was fun was building? It was, was bringing the new ideas and perspective to the table, making them more efficient at communicating with the public and.

When I wasn't providing that anymore. All of a sudden I felt like it. And I still say to this day, I didn't resign from that job. I finished that job. It was, it was almost a feeling of my job is done here. And then when I reflected to say, well, it's clearly time for me to move on based on the way that I felt at work.

And I think all veterans who have gone out into their first job, no, like you hit that wall where you're like this isn't fulfilling. And so what's the first thing a lot of people do is go and look for another job, but then you're going to go through that same process. And I thought, I'd bet I would love the next job for a year or two to a year and a half, and then realize, well, , maybe, maybe I've.

Given that organization, all that I can, all the council and all the insights that I can. And then it'd be time to move on again, which is why I started my own communications consulting business with other public relations. So when I started that business now, Every day, I'm helping clients to understand how to better communicate and how to build their public facing communication structure to work better for them.

And then they go and execute it and I'm onto the next client. So my favorite part of that full-time job is now my full-time job. By helping numerous clients. So that's how I found my way, but I'm still building my way. So it's, it's never a finished project. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. I love that. You, you recognized where you were bringing value and essentially it decided to scale and say, why am I only going to do this for, for one, one employer?

One source of income, where if all of a sudden you get a new government official, a boss is like, I don't like your new ideas like that can, that can get nasty. If, if you think, well, I still need this job. I think people get stuck in some jobs they hate for years and years, just because they had just happened to be under a boss.

And in any ways, when you only got one stream of income, if for whatever reason that goes away now, you're now you're screwed, but versus, , going and doing what you've done. And I forgot how to bring more value to others. Keeps you creative. And of course, if you lose a client, you can always go get more.

I'm curious, what do you, what do you do? What are you doing, right? How long you, how long have you been in business 

Mark Miller: with this? So I made the decision to start the business back in may, but and this is, this is another thing that you can do when you're in business for yourself. I made the decision in may, but I didn't launch until September.

And that's because my wife's a teacher. And I said to myself, I haven't taken a summer off since high school. So my wife and I took the summer off and I don't regret that one bit. Sure that was a financial decision, but took the summer off. So in reality, I really launched the business in September. 

Scott Tucker: Great.

Okay. So new business, new business in the COVID age, I'm guessing you don't necessarily have to be brick and mortar. I'm not sure how PR firms used to work. But what, what are you doing now or, or maybe what what's happening now? That's different. From what you expected launching a PR firm might be like, is it different, like your strategy to get clients or, or, yeah.

Do you have any thoughts? Oh, so many. 

Mark Miller: That's probably a whole segment in itself, but Oh, what I didn't know about the costs. I'm not brick and mortar, so that's. That reduces overhead. I'm I'm in my home office right now. So my commute from my bedroom is approximately 15 seconds. So likewise love it.

Yeah, it's actually great. And, and COVID has really been an advantage to me because it has taught organizations, leaders, managers, how much you can get done over this method of communication we're using right now. And I don't mean to take away from meeting in person and how important that is, but when you can't do it I can really get a lot done with clients this way.

And that's also allowed me to break into helping clients nationwide. So I don't have a single local client. My clients that I've worked with have been , Aaron vapor, watershed conservation Alliance and Southern Arizona teach for America, Hawaii. The high school that I went to in Illinois, I just provided the proposal packet to them and I've got an upcoming meeting with them.

So we're talking to Illinois, Arizona, Hawaii. Do you hear Texas anywhere in there? No, COVID has really been something that has worked to my advantage and that I'm sitting here in Texas, but the work I'm doing is one end of it's in Texas and the other end is over here and whatever other state. So my limitation is now for legal reasons that I provide services just in the United States.

So that's that's a much bigger footprint than, than I would have had as, as a local guy. So that's worked out well. The unexpecteds have been have been everything from, I didn't realize how much insurance you had to get as a, as an LLC in terms of liability insurance and all these other things that that companies want before you, before you respond to their RFP just.

I didn't realize that getting clients was going to be mostly through my personal network. Every, , everyone says, monetize your friendships. I always thought that was a little hollow. I'm like, no, these are my friends. I don't need to monetize that. But then without any pressure, when I put it out there in my own network that I have a business sure enough, that that's where the leads came from, was people I knew who knew my work ethic, who knew my competence already, who were willing to say, Hey, you're, you're someone we're looking for.

And so actually I haven't gotten. I haven't gotten a single client yet that wasn't attached to somebody. I knew. Yeah. I 

Scott Tucker: mean, if, if you've got a way of service, I mean, who better to serve and help than, than those, , in love. Right. So I mean, other than, than people, no, no, you, do you think that. Your skillset in public relations coming from the military makes you different than a typical public relations firms.

Like w what is the, what is it that makes you unique when it comes to this, this cause I know public relations is changing drastically from what it used to be. It's not about press releases so much anymore, right? 

Mark Miller: Oh, they're, they're still valuable, but yeah, you're right now, PPR does not stand for press release.

That's that's a line I've used before. PR does change rapidly, but my military background combined. With now my municipal background really gives me a niche where I'm able to operate in the world of government and nonprofit. Believe it or not. There's a lot of consistencies between those two where your audience, isn't always an audience of potential customers.

So I've been built up in my public relations background is someone learning to help Improve maintain, stabilize the image and reputation of an organization that isn't necessarily looking for an end state of customers and sales. So that puts me at a great advantage with any government or nonprofit organization.

I'll be very candid and say, it probably puts me at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to the the commercial or fortune 500 type companies that I don't have as much familiarity with that with that arena. And you'll notice though. Those aren't my clients. 

Scott Tucker: No, I okay. So that, that makes, I mean, that makes a lot of sense that, that, , I think, , especially in the veteran space, there's so many veteran service organizations where there's 45,000 of them, and I know they all got a great idea, it stuff, but , not always do they communicate or attract.

Who they, who they want to serve in the right way. I, , just from experience of what I say to just almost seems like if there's confusion, I mean, we get out of the military and it's like, gosh, there's so many resources like, which one's the right one for me. So I want to move on a little bit and kind of ask you.

, what's, what's next? What are the next three years look like for, for Mark Miller, public relations? We, , w what do you see changing on the horizon that we need to be aware of? Because a lot of us do go into these government organizations or nonprofits, and even, , even, even for-profit businesses, , what's ahead that.

Yeah,  we really need it. Cause this is, I mean, stuff's been changing like crazy. I'm afraid to say anything, , without getting yelled at. And I don't even know if that's relevant or not, but I just like to get, , see if there's any insights you can give our community on. Hey, how do we need to be communicating with those?

We're meant to serve. 

Mark Miller: Yeah, well, first of all, if you're scared to say anything without getting yelled at my services are available, we can talk about that later. But now what's, , the next three to five years for me I'll start with saying that starts next Friday for me. I am taking the GRE again after 10 years.

The last time I took it was to get into my master's program at Georgetown. And unfortunately, I don't know if  this when you take the GRE, it's only good for five years. Okay. I even called them. I called ETS and tried to say, Hey, but that whole time I was active duty military. If you waive that time, then I've only really been two years that they didn't buy it.

And in fact, in case anyone's wondering, they don't retain the scores after five years. So you can't sweet talk your way into 

Scott Tucker: it. So you might've, you might've gotten dumber right 

Mark Miller: there, just making sure. And that's. Probably highly likely in my case, I don't know. Like I haven't seen a quadratic equation and literally 10 years, it's a little intimidating, but so the GRE next Friday with the, with the goal behind that, I I'm going to be applying to PhD programs that would start in fall of 21.

So August, September timeframe of 21, and that's not me walking away from the business, but rather saying if I want to be successful longterm, I need to be a thought leader in my field. And when there are people with communications public policy and rhetoric and degrees like that, that are PhDs and Dr.

Jones and Dr. Smith are out there. I'm not the most credible available. So although I have a pretty deep resume. Of government, both federal and local public relations work. I've got a master's degree in public relations. My undergraduate degree is in mass communications. Sure. I've got credentials, but I seek to be an absolute expert and thought leader in my field.

And I came to the conclusion. I can't do that without a PhD. So That's that's the next goal for me. And while I'm in that program, I plan to still continue helping clients. I might have to scale back a little bit to balance, but again, it's asking that question. What do you want? And part of what led me to that was that summer off was amazing.

So my wife loves teaching. She's going to continue to teach grade school. So if I weren't academia as well, that creates us as a team having a little bit more autonomy in the summers. Now, if I'm teaching at university level, I get it. My summers wouldn't be off. Those are generally set aside for research and publishing, but they don't generally have a geographic requirement.

You're not. Physically somewhere. So I could still go travel with my wife on the summers and then be able to still complete my work that I need to for my research and publication. And then come back and start teaching courses again, back on campus, wherever that may be in the fall. So that's, that's the second reason that that I'm seeking a PhD.

And if I could sidetrack for just a second. They made us take a course. My freshman year at Illinois state university called foundations of inquiry. And I never forgot that course. I still remember the professor Dr. Hathaway, and this course was all about asking question questioning. What's put in front of you.

So. If, if you hear something in the news, if you hear something just flying around, that's accepted. As fact, this course was an entire semester dedicating to questioning those things. And that's become so valuable in our current environment where for the first time in our lifetimes, and it's happened before in history when with the advent of the newspaper and then tabloids.

So we've been through this before, but not in your lifetime or mine that. People are actually operating with different sets of facts. Like you wonder why our country is fractured right now. It's because guy a over here doesn't believe the same facts is as guy or gal be over here. So we're not arguing over what the facts mean.

We're literally arguing over the facts themselves. And that course in foundations of inquiry really prepared me for that even all these years later. But it helps to what you're talking about with transition as well that we need to inquire about, Hey, if, if everybody, whether that's people in the military or family members or whoever is telling me, Oh yeah, the next step here is to go get a corporate job or go get a good job.

Make sure you're making a good paycheck. Hey, check this out. I looked at the whole transition process differently and said, okay, everything I'm being fed by the transition office here are great resources to question things. So they teach you to look at cost of living in different areas you might end up.

Huh? That's a good thing to inquire about. Oh, , is this what you want to do? Or do you want to use this as an opportunity for a career switch? Oh, another good point of inquiry. So I looked at it as, as all points of inquiry, not as an instruction manual that I was supposed to follow, but, but rather as a program of several questions to ask.

Scott Tucker: No. I, I think you're exactly right right now in America. It's like people are watching completely different movies on the same screen and , you don't just. Change people's minds, if they are choosing to be a useful idiot and just, and not, not, , be willing to, to ask deeper, like, is that always true?

Is that true for everyone? Or, , what else they out there. And honestly, when you say thought leader, I love the idea of thought leadership because it's all about personal branding and, and it sounds to me like this might be a line of inquiry for you to. To bring some unique value. You thinking about doing, speaking or writing a book or anything like that?

Mark Miller: Absolutely. Yeah. I've actually thought about, you are part of my inspiration for that. I'm like, okay, this, this guy that, , we used to hang around in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, the last time we saw each other in person was that, that army Navy game, maybe back in 2012 or somewhere around that. So, so yeah, I've definitely thought about writing a book when I see.

My colleagues and peers out there have done that. And, and for me, I feel like I need to seek a little bit more knowledge before I'm ready to do that right now. I might be a great authority in practice. But I'm seeking to be a better authority in theory as well. 

Scott Tucker: Yeah, I think, I mean, it's, it's the, it's the theory practice get a little more theory, keep building, and then eventually you just kind of go, Holy cow, I've got something unique here.

I need to, I need to write this down or communicate or share with an audience in some way, because ultimately it is a matter what industry or job description you're talking about. The most successful people are those. Who are known and in this day and age, I mean think Dr. Phil, Dave Ramsey. I mean, they're not even really licensed people, but , Dr.

Oz, it's just , but that's there they are. They're on TV, they're famous and all that in this day and age, you don't have to be famous. You can go find your own unique, , small audience of a hundred, a thousand people, whatever. And, , become quite successful because. Yeah. Now you're serving those whom you're meant to serve and it ends up being a heck of a lot more fun.

So I've really enjoyed that. Love to help you out any way I can. And if, if, if, if I could be helpful and doing the personal branding stuff, cause I love, I, I love your demeanor, your, your, your, your focus on what you want. , getting that message out because  what? I still get this almost every day from veterans and transitioning military.

These are senior officers, senior NCO is in the thing they say is okay. I don't know what I want to do when I grow up. And to give yourself the permission, almost force yourself to say you got to find something. So, Mark, I love that message. I really appreciate you coming on on the show today. How could people find you?

I know you've got a website is social media. Please lay that out. So folks can find you and put you to put your new business to work. Please. If you're in a nonprofit, I know of not a lot of numbers, profits are connected with us. And so if you're looking to, to, to grow your business or grow your, non-profit get the word out.

I definitely would consider a Mark services for sure. 

Mark Miller: Yeah. So you can find me real easily at markmillerpr.com and and then all my social media channels are linked from that websites. You can find those real easily too. And Scott, I really just appreciate you having me on if I could offer one last thought.

Yeah, absolutely. So, , I know a lot of times people say, well, the military doesn't prepare you for transition. And I, I hear that a lot. But I also want to respectfully challenge that a little bit and say the military does prepare you for transition. You just don't know it because everything in the military, everything you said, the military will take care of that for me.

How did that work out? So, Oh, any equipment I need, they're going to issue me a CIF, right? How'd that work out? Oh, well I need food. I just go to the DFAC, right? How'd that work out. Those are just two examples of when we accept the military, we'll take care of this for me. It doesn't work. So don't do that any differently with your transition.

Don't don't say, Oh, the military is going to take care of it for me. They're going to give me some of the tools. So some of the stuff I needed, CIF did issue. Some of the stuff I needed, I needed to go get on my own to make sure I could do my job correctly and to make sure I was comfortable as well. So take that thought and realize, what did the military train you to do?

Long-term planning, short-term planning, mission analysis, courses of action analysis. Looking at your ends ways means these these goals. You have three to five years. Are they the ends? Are they the ways are they the means? Are they a method? So to think through all the stuff, the military taught you and use that for transition, as opposed to just looking completely at tab, but looking at all the skills the military gave you, and then looking at that as, okay, now this is my mission is my life.

So I need to do the long-term short-term planning. I need to do the mission analysis. I need to do the course of action analysis. I need to look at my ends ways means if you're doing all that the way the military taught you you're golden. It's just, they didn't call it transition assistance. They called it doing your job.

Scott Tucker: Yeah. That and surround yourself with good people as much as possible. I mean, the cool thing is about when you're in the military, you get assigned  who you're going to be around. And we always say, Hey, I love leading my soldiers and, and so on. But in the civilian world, , you can choose who you want to be.

Right. You just want to be around your buddies. And, and if they're, if they're miserable and, and not, , supporting you, it's like go find those who you want to be like , find people at your level or even better above your Le level. It's not like everybody has to be a mentor to you, but when you start to surround yourself with those types of people, it lifts you up.

, what's tide rises all boats. How does that. Go. I dunno, it's getting late. It's getting late in the day. 

Well, I think that's a good way to end it on this day after veteran's day, , thinking of others, , let's continue to try to be of service, find out what you want, so you can one be happy, be meaningful. And really, , figure out how to, how to help people.

Because I, I don't know what else we're on earth for. It's just yeah, it really is. So if we're just going to get a job. And we're not looking for that thing that, that feels meaningful. I think that's it, it ends up being dangerous these days. So love your mission and message to help them. So, thanks again, Mark.

I put, I put your email there. Obviously that's the website as well. mark@markmillerpr.com. And looking forward to hearing how things go in a year or so, how the business is booming 

you bet. You bet, man. All right. Thanks everybody for joining us again on veteran wealth secrets, so appreciate you coming on to early show Mark as we grow the audience, have you on again and keep promote. Yeah, thanks so much, Scott. All right. Take care.

About the author 

Scott R. Tucker

Scott R. Tucker is an author, speaker and the founder of US VetWealth, a lifestyle and financial consulting brand that helps service members go from paychecks and government benefits to wealth and liberty. He likes to say, "I Help The 1% Who Serve Our Country Become The 1% Who Influence It." A West Point graduate, serial world traveler, military financial expert, and entrepreneur, Scott brings valuable experience and insight to those who have sacrificed so much in service to our country.

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